Repub: But God supports government doesn’t he?

[This is a republication of part of an article that I published before. New title.]

Great words from a Sunday Christian. If you know nothing of the fullness of the words of God, then you know nothing of His meaning.

  • Romans 13:1-7 ESV – Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
    • If there is no authority but from God, then all other governing authorities must not be from God. Otherwise, when the devil rules, then it would be of God, and that just cannot be true.
    • Let’s try that again. Did the Apostle Paul obey government, or God? Did Jesus Christ obey government of God? I see a trend here.
    • I have to suspect that this isn’t obedience to a government of man, but to God, and a friendly passing not to man. Why else would Paul and Jesus have been in such hot water with government all the time.
  • 1 Peter 2:13-17 ESV – Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
    • “Be subject for”, based on the examples given, I have to assume that this is really “be subject for judgment for”, this could also be referring to “be answerable for”. Again, the apostles obeyed God, and were held accountable for their actions. The last two sentences here “Fear God” and “Honor the emperor” are very decisive.
    • The scriptures are clear as to our living status even, “Live as people who are free…”. We are not to live as slaves, but as free. How can you live free if you are living as a slave? Trust me, the scriptures cover that too. The scriptures do cover that a slave should serve his master as unto the lord, so that it may be well with him. I have to admit, this still troubles me today, but I will also note that the reference to serve an employer as one would the lord, or one another as one would to the lord, are also prevalent. So this cannot be live in opposition to the knowledge of God, blindly following every evil deed and order, otherwise God would be telling us to live good except when told to live evil.
  • Romans 13:7 ESV – Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
    • Unlike our predecessors we do not have an emperor. We do not have a king. We do not have an authority that by declaration is greater than the people themselves. As such, the taxes owed are not rightfully owed to the government. However, revenue owed is referring to daily wages.
    • [Also note that under an empirical government, all land is assumed to be the property of the empire, so you are paying for the use of the land. Since the money has the face of the person who claimed ownership of it, then the taxes on the money is the use of the money. So if we don’t use the government land, or the government money, then under the constitutional US, we would owe just about no money. So the real problem is that the current government is not a constitutional government.]

Did you know that there are more verses that support government than there are against? The key though isn’t that we are to worship them, but just live unto God, and let him take care of the government. But that doesn’t stop God from being clear early on in the bible his original stance on government. The precursor here is that the exodus from Egypt has already happened, but the people have already forgotten God.

1 Samuel 8 King James Version (KJV)
  1. And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.
  2. Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beersheba.
  3. And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.
  4. Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
  5. And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
  6. But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.
  7. And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
  8. According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.
  9. Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.
  10. And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that asked of him a king.
  11. And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.
  12. And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.
  13. And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.
  14. And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.
  15. And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.
  16. And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.
  17. He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his servants.
  18. And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.

And look what the people did after the warning.

  1. Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;
  2. That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.
  3. And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the Lord.
  4. And the Lord said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.

So where do we stand?

  • We are currently, by the measurement of our flesh, slaves.
  • Limited government is still enslavement.
  • The bible is clear that we are to respect our government, but we are also to live as free people.
    • That is, if they are not acting as criminals and thugs, then no problem.
    • If they are, then live as if they don’t matter, but when they call you to answer, then be answerable to your position.
    • Don’t sin, just because your boss (emperor, president, king, dictator, Don, etc) orders you to.

[I want you to know, that the US government was never to be what we are now. As long as we claim the constitution as the ruling law, then we MUST fight back against the oppression laws of the current government. BUT LET THERE BE NO CONFUSION, the fight is not by flesh, but one that is fought through the wisdom of Christ.

Either God and your labors are your sufficiency, or government is. Either you pick your lord, being God or yourself, or you let Government be your god.

Letting government to be your god is idolatry.]

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